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My 85 silver spur is missing the two bottles by the battery for the brakes/etc. Wondering where to get this from in canada preferably?. Also what are my options,what will work properly?.I see TRW LHM plus .I see castrol JMS Not sure if there all the same or what.No Dealers anywhere near me on the east but there is Jaguar so i can get theres easier.Also do you need the special nozzle to fill the resivoirs?. Anywhoo any advice is appreciated.Thanks.
 

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LHM can be found in every fuel station here in Europe. In the US/Canada, I'd try the 'usual suspects' such as Albers (Bentley Zionsville) or call a local Jaguar dealer. Jaguar used LHM in the 90s too. LHM and LHM+ are the same, only the '+' is produced nowadays. Also, HSMO and LHM are the same stuff. Furthermore, the brand does not matter, as all the stuff is made the same single factory in France.
 

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The stuff that Castrol produces that is appropriate for your car is HSMO. I have no idea what JMS is and didn't even bother to look it up.

The original stuff (before the Plus came along) came in bottles that look like this:

while the Plus variety either looks exactly the same as above, but with "Plus" added to the name or comes in a bottle that looks like this:

Either should have the little feed tube with it. This was meant to "idiot proof" the mineral oil reservoirs from those who would try to pour in conventional DOT brake fluid. Unfortunately it's impossible to foolproof anything because fools seem to be so darned determined and ingenious!
 

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Ditto that. Buy the Castrol HSMO - that's the right stuff for you RR. You can buy it on ebay for about $25 bucks a bottle.
 

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This is what I use. I live in Florida and this is a bit more heat resistant than the original bottles that came with the car. I also think it is a slightly higher quality than the original. It can be found at most parts stores plus it comes in a tin container that holds about 2-3 times the amount of the original bottles. I just keep an original bottle and fill it up with these so it is easier to fill the reservoirs.
 

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This is not LHM, unless I am very mistaken. Color is green as per spec sheet but this is synthetic. I would be surprised if this is a substitute for alien blood (LHM).
 

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This is not LHM, unless I am very mistaken. Color is green as per spec sheet but this is synthetic. I would be surprised if this is a substitute for alien blood (LHM).
I was skeptical at first also. My friend has run this in his Turbo R for about ten years without a problem. He tried convincing me about a year ago and I didn't want to listen to him until I called the company Pentosin that makes it. You are right it is a synthetic replacement for the original but does much better in high temperatures.

You can find more info here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCwQFjAB&url=http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentosin_CHF_11s.pdf&rct=j&q=pentosin chf 11s&ei=ddjTVLT4GoS0ggSH-YJw&usg=AFQjCNHZRhnyz0id_oqLKSYRlc0G5B9Yxg&sig2=MViqbU04ILfwFCexAzeb2w&bvm=bv.85464276,d.eXY
 

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CHF is not HSMO, but it is a hydraulic system mineral oil. It has a lot more in common with HSMO than with DOT brake fluid.

CHF is the equivalent of the RH 5000 hydraulic fluid that's used in the Arnage/Seraph era cars. They use DOT brake fluid for the brakes. It's one of those really weird situations where Crewe went back to DOT (and a separate system entirely) for brakes while keeping the hydraulic leveling and damping system going with a mineral oil based fluid. Citroen did the same thing with its recent cars.

See this page at findpart.org for additional details. What's amusing is that they don't reference Pentosin CHF 11S, but Pentosin cross references CHF 11S to RH 5000. This webpage also makes clear that Pentosin CHF 11S and CHF202 are synthetic oil based fluids (as opposed to refined dino-based).

I'm not telling anyone that they should or should not use this in an HSMO application, but it's definitely a hydraulic system mineral oil if not Castrol HSMO or LHM.
 

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P.S. the HSMO+ MSDS makes it pretty clear, since the primary ingredient is "highly refined base oil," that it is dino-based as opposed to having a synthetic oil base.
 

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So yes it is synthetic based and that is not what is recommended by the manufacturer. The question I have is if it is recommended for the Arnage is there any practical reason that it cannot be used on the older cars? The only thing I can think of is it having an effect on the spheres.

Both my 2 friends that I know that have similar cars are using this as a substitute and I recently started doing the same. None of us have had any problems but if there is some sort of a reason that this shouldn't be used I would like to find out so I can stop using it.

Here's the info I found on the CHF:

http://www.worldpac.com/tagged/Pentosin_11S.pdf
 

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So yes it is synthetic based and that is not what is recommended by the manufacturer. The question I have is if it is recommended for the Arnage is there any practical reason that it cannot be used on the older cars? The only thing I can think of is it having an effect on the spheres.
I didn't bother reading the specification sheets for Castrol HSMO+ versus Pentosin CHF 11S because I don't own any of the cars in question. However, the basic stats are shown on both and while they are not precisely the same, they are very closely congruent.

I happen to agree, entirely, with your assessment with regard to use in the SZ era cars. However, others will not. You have to do your own research (or in this case just read what's already been posted) and then act by the dictates of your own evaluation.

I've been involved in more "fluid wars"/"coolant wars"/"lubrication wars" than I care to remember. When it comes to using one thing in place of another you have to do your homework and then proceed based on what you are comfortable with after having done so. Someone is going to argue against you no matter what you do.

There are those who will scream bloody murder that "original substance X," even though recommended by the manufacturer, is inferior to "replacement substance Y." I'm pretty much of that mind when it comes to motor oils since every single specification for gasoline powered engines has lubrication properties that meet or exceed that of all prior specs. When the very bodies that write the testing specs state this why would I believe otherwise?


 

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LHM = Liquide Hydraulique Minérale (Mineral Hydraulic Fluid/Liquid)

HSMO = Hydraulic System Mineral Oil

The first is the French term used by Citroën and the second the English term used by Crewe, Jag, and others who employed the stuff over time.

As JP has already mentioned, the plus (+) variant was simply the "second generation" version and can be used in place of the non-plus version, and typically is.
 

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LHM = Liquide Hydraulique Minérale (Mineral Hydraulic Fluid/Liquid)

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Petite correction:
Liquide Hydraulique Minéral, without 'e' at the end. Liquide is of male gender, hence no female 'e' ending.
(apologies for being a smartass so early in the year)
 

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Petite correction:
Liquide Hydraulique Minéral, without 'e' at the end. Liquide is of male gender, hence no female 'e' ending.
(apologies for being a smartass so early in the year)
JP,

No problem. I found both and had to guess at which one was correct. As a native speaker of English, where most nouns that don't relate to living things are strictly neuter gender (as are adjectives, and those are placed before the noun they describe rather than after), it's difficult to guess. My two years of high-school Latin sometimes helps, but not always.

There's nothing wrong with wanting things to be correct and I personally exhibit that tendency.
 

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FWIW I'm able to buy it for $25 / litre here in Vancouver, BC from my independent British car shop. They have it for RR/Bentley and Jag cars. It isn't the Castrol branded stuff so I have to pour it into my 'special' Castrol bottles to fill the reservoirs.
 
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