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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-19-2016, 11:38 PM Thread Starter
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Bentley Azure suggestions

I've been mulling over trading in my well-loved 1992 Bentley Turbo R for something else. I've thought of RR Silvercloud/S series or an early Shadow. Now I've been thinking of going the other way and getting a newer car. I thought of selling my 76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible and the Turbo R and getting a Bentley Azure. The prices in US range from $45 to $75K for a 1998-2003 models.

Any thoughts on the Azure?

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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-20-2016, 07:31 AM
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They're still cheaper there than in the UK. I wouldn't sell the Turbo R as they are unique.
As a modern car the Azure could tick a lot of boxes if you like a convertible and have the weather,Mind you the Caddi is pretty cool also. However the Azure is good value compared to the original list price.
Personally my ideal compromise would be an early Corniche convertible with an unrestricted UK spec engine-Oh Yes.
Sadly they've gone through the roof here.
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Len,

Read up on the Azure before you buy one. I say that because the early ones were problematic, particularly the top mechanism (if I'm recalling correctly). I do know that I've repeatedly read people who own or have owned them saying that there were a lot of "growing pains" related to this particular model.

If you are a fan of your Turbo R because of the "vrooom vrooom" aspects I very much doubt that the older cars will appeal to you as they are, by far, more sedate. I love my SYs because of what gets called their "waftability" and ultimate comfort. While the old saw that their power is "adequate" is definitely true, it's adequate to be a boulevardier or cruiser, not a performance vehicle.

As far as I'm concerned your current arrangement is a "best of both worlds" one. The late Eldorado convertibles are huge, quite powerful, and relatively few and far between. They certainly satisfy the need for sun and wind while wafting along in style and are great cars that are (relatively) easy to maintain. Then you've got the Q-ship that is the Turbo R for when you want to appear sedate but be able to be anything but if/when the mood and the roads to take advantage of that mood strike.

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Hi Len, if you really want a convertible, the Azur seems a very good choice to me.
I would suggest a 96 or 97, the last real Crewe cars with the air/water Turbo and others improvements.

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I've often wondered why the Corniche is so much more expensive than the Azure. A late '90s model goes for upwards of a $100K in the states. An '80s model goes for over $60K - the same as the late model Azure.

Regarding the "vroom vroom" - actually I'm now leaning to something more smooth and wafting
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Late Corniche have many technical evolutions/upgrades. This is part of the price.

Soon the Azure is going to grow up.
The price you give are much different in France.

A beautifull Azure is about the same price as a Corniche.

You should buy what you really want and can afford.
If you want a late Corniche and can afford it, go for it
If you want an Azure and can afford it, go for it. Azure will continue growing up .

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Azures are fabulous cars and must surely start going up in the near future.

I don't think it will be as beautiful as a Corniche and the fact that the Corniche is a Rolls-Royce will probably keep the Corniche performing better in the price stakes.

Both. Like all RR&B must be garaged.

Find a great one.. price is no indication of quality.

It's easier to enjoy a car that is appreciating in value . . Unless the price goes crazy of course
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Some bits and pieces about how Pininfarina converted the Continental R to Azure in Graham Hull's book "Inside the Rolls Royce & Bentley Styling Dept. 1971-2001"

I know I've said it before on this forum, but this book is essential reading for anyone with an interest in RR & B cars of that era. Really interesting - I've read it twice now!

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You should research the top. Ots the weak point because of the tubing and the electrical motors. My understanding is that the top system is entirely from the mercedes SL R129. So there are a couple of issues. 1- the electric motors fail. 2- the latches leak due to seal material used by mercedes. There are mercedes SL specialists in florida that can provide recondition latches with new seals that are guaranteed not to leak. Since you are in the US you should check out Jim Robinson. He has mich written on the subject. I had done a lot of research on the azure and the SL R129. Decided to go with my current car the brooklands for many reasons.
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What do you reproach to the Mercedes SL . R129 ?
You are right, part of the roof are the same on the Azur.

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